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teen 04-03-2010 11:50 AM

Is SGU getting better?
 
Well that episode had aliens and a space battle so it was a bit better than what has been shown thus far, but I don't know if can truly redeem itself for all those boring episodes, especially since they've hinted at more mistrust and bullshit to come.
It just makes the show so uncomfortable to watch, everyone hates each other, all the women are massive bitches, nobody on the show is likable, it's kind of frustrating.
I've been rewatching Atlantis, it's so much better.

taz 04-03-2010 03:36 PM

I like Eli, the blonde doctor, and the new IT guy. But yeah, far too much drama and crap with everyone. I want some more traditional Stargate!

DEATH 04-04-2010 09:40 AM

i think that the show is doing fairly well, perhaps it was a bit slow to get going, but we already know that they have been renewed for a second season so we will get a chance to see how the show plays out, after all SG-1 had a few crap seasons.. notable any part that refernced ori and the season with jonas in it :p

i think that the show has definatly become alot darker, espesialy after the considerably light star gate atlantis, that show never realy had me on the edge of my seat wondering if a charicter would die, or not. conventional stargate ie SG-1 and Atlantis had a realy good run, but i think that they were becomeing to comical and too popcirn sci-fi for my likeing.

im not saying that they were not extreemly injoyable shows but i think that stargate had to reinvent itself or die, weather they can pull of a lost/battlestar style show is another thing entirly but comparing it to the previous stargate shows is just folly.

let universe be its own show, instead of wanting just another cookie sci-fi show that takes no effort from the viewer. if stargate had of continued with another spin off thats only disimilarites to SG-1 and atlantis was that they were in a new place with new people, but ever 2 or 3 eppiusode somone from the old shows would come on, it would have died a horrable death, as a fanserve and for being akin to yet another procedural cop show.

i see the potential in universe. i just hope that it gets a chance to show it

taz 04-04-2010 10:03 AM

I just hope it doesn't become another full-fledged Battlestar Galactica with all the character in-fighting (and in-fracking) and far too much drama. I love BSG now, but I also loved the lightness of Stargate.

Making it darker and more character driven is cool, but I just hope they don't go too far.

teen 04-04-2010 12:27 PM

Well I don't understand what you guys mean by 'darker' and 'lighter', I think those are just bullshit ways to justify boringness with no story or distinguishable characters.

I don't have a problem with character driven plots, or making the show deeper like lost, but that is most definitely not what is going on here.

If Stargate was Batman, then Stargate Universe would be the one where it's ALWAYS night time in Gotham and Batman has nipples. It's absolutely cheesier than anything they did on SG-1 or Atlantis - those shows were imaginative, creative, they did a lot of work on costumes and sets and new and very memorable characters.

I'm not "comparing" it to previous Stargate shows, other than to point out that they were good and enjoyable, whereas this is tedious, difficult to understand, and as a fan does not make me feel enthusiastic about it.

I've never watched Battlestar Galactica, it looks like a terrible b-grade scifi, and in that sense I do understand the comparison to SGU.

If they intended to make a show like Battlestar Galactica, why not make it in that franchise?

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effort from the viewer
I realise that you're a bit of a retard Death so I try not to respond to anything specific you say, but even you must see how stupid this comment is. What exactly am I suppose to do to understand this show when I don't even give a fuck about anything that happens in it? Do I have to take screenshots of people's very similar looking faces and make notes about everything they say just to figure out what the story is?

It doesn't even make sense that if people, professional people, were in a situation like this they would all act like such massive assholes. I don't see any redeeming qualities in these characters that would make a person think "oh that person would be great on a stargate type team working at some remote base on another planet". They all seem like such hostile babies.

It's obvious that the newbs like Cooper, Mullie, and Mallozzi, hated their jobs and wanted to work on another show. It was always obvious even on SG-1 that they wished they were writing for Star Trek or something. They are such fuckwads.

DEATH 04-04-2010 11:03 PM

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What exactly am I suppose to do to understand this show when I don't even give a fuck about anything that happens in it?
perhaps not watch the show if thats how you feel... i may be mistaken but nobody is forcing you
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Do I have to take screenshots of people's very similar looking faces and make notes about everything they say just to figure out what the story is?
well maybe a good start would be to learn who the charicters actualy are.. after all it is a charicter driven show. after half a season (half a season of charicter building mind you) you should have worked them out by now

Bose 04-05-2010 01:36 AM

I like SGU. It's like BSG.

teen 04-05-2010 02:11 AM

Death, both points are valid arguments as to why it's a poorly written show. I don't have this trouble with any other show. Look at lost, there are way more characters in that, but they are all memorable, I could write an essay on each one.

DEATH 04-05-2010 03:59 AM

no lost doesnt require any effort on your part. they give you there history as flashbacks. not make you do some work for it by actualy listening to the dialouge.
lost has spoon fed you its charicter. each an archatype, each one looking remotly different from the others. hell half of em even have different accents.

use your brain and you will find a show that is quite rewarding to watch

teen 04-05-2010 08:53 AM

You fail at stories if you think that as an audience members I need to "do some work". Talking about what has happened isn't storytelling, showing what happened is storytelling.
Yes characters should look different from each other.
I don't know why you try to turn every negative point into some sort of positive 'challenge' for the viewer. I bet you loved warhead lollies as kid "These are fucking disgusting - GREAT!!!"

president doc 04-05-2010 03:34 PM

Once more, seriously awesome rack.

Okay episode, hope it gets better but if they think unlikeable characters make it like BSG, they're wrong.
Young needs to be a good guy, can they pull that off when everyone hates him/distrusts him? It's not like he's shown Adama like chops either so foibles are more difficult to forgive.

Chinese woman is beginning to get on my nerves too. Stupid cow.

Rhydderch Hael 04-08-2010 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by teen (Post 24251)
You fail at stories if you think that as an audience members I need to "do some work". Talking about what has happened isn't storytelling, showing what happened is storytelling.

I agree that "working" to get the story sucks, but the key to good storytelling is to get your audience to ask more questions (good questions, like "What would have happened if it went this way instead of that?", not bad questions like "What the fuck happened there?").

If you give them all the answers, if you reveal everything plain as day, the audience takes up the info, packs it into their heads, and then walks away from the work. If asked what happened, they'll parrot back that story as it unfolded onscreen— as if that was all that there was to say on the subject.

How can you sell a sequel if no one is wondering about what happened in those moments that didn't appear onscreen?

teen 04-18-2010 04:37 AM

Of course it's good storytelling to not reveal everything up front, but you have to keep the curiosity levels high about what hasn't been shown. When it's just some angst between two teenagers - who *really* cares? There are plenty of fantastic examples of stories that very purposefully didn't show much but we could still appreciate the backstory when we needed, such as Tape (2001) by Richard Linklater, and Reservoir Dogs (1992) by Tarantino.

Actually I did enjoy last week's ep Divided, reminded me a lot of an SGC based SG-1 ep. Can't fault it very much, and in many ways some of the annoying boring bits of the previous eps paid off for me there. Although every ep being effectively about deception and mistrust is still a problem for me. There was still a lack of exposition in some parts that made me confused while watching the ep.

It was nice to see Dr Brightman (Stargate SG-1, Season 8, "Lockdown") again.

http://www.gateworld.net/wiki/images/d/d7/Brightman.jpg

Bose 04-19-2010 07:07 PM

Tape, good film. Watched up to Faith, which was a massively weird and crap episode, but I still enjoyed it. I'm kinda annoyed that they just used a whole ep to set up other eps. It felt like I was watching a teaser trailer, only with no actual "Next week..." in it. I had to make it up myself.

Still love the show. Much better than other SG before it, though I'll always have a place in my heart of course for SG-1.

teen 04-26-2010 01:49 PM

Last two eps were great. They actually shot things in daylight, so we could finally see what people look like! And they're not all angry at each other.

I think that mystery planet will be created by them somehow. Manipulating space-time etc...

It's reminding me a lot more of Lost now.

president doc 05-16-2010 03:40 PM

Yup, getting better. Phew.


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