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Who's Grogan? One of those SG team members in training featured in "Proving Ground?" If so, then in "The Sentinel" he should have always been addressed as Lieutenant. The Air Force Academy trains its future officers, and graduates are automatically commissioned as 2nd Lieutenants in the Air Force.

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"Broca Divide" begins with a briefing where SG-1 is trying to locate the world where Apophis, Amuhtet, and Klorel escaped to when they left Chulak. They're basing their search on the fact that a few of the refugees they rescued in "Children of the Gods" saw a partial address to where the Goa'ulds dialed to.

However, anyone and everyone who has seen "Children of the Gods" knows that the only one who cleared the ridge when Apophis and company departed was only Jack O'Neill, and it was explicitly said within the episode that he did not see the address. Now unless a few of those refugees could see straight through hills at something over a hundred yards away...

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In Tangent Jack says "controls are NOT responding. No thrusters, and no reaction control system. We are --- purely ballistic" into the radio, but when the sgc hears it it says "controls are NOT responding. No thrusters, and no reaction control system. We are ballistic.

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In Watergate, Teal'c has to activate the Gate so the aliens could get through. But wasn't the point of the episode that the Gate couldn't be deactivated? He shouldn't have had to open the Gate because the whole plot of the episode was that the gate was stuck open already.

Then, there's Hathor. Great episode, but one screwup after another.

1: Daniel says that Kleinhouse and his associates were killed brutally, and the sarcophagus was found by Kleinhouse's other assosciates, who were outside. For this to happen, either Hathor got out of the temple without encountering Kleinhouse's Other Associates, or Klienhouse's Other Associates were able to get into the temple without encountering Hathor. How?

2: Kleinhouse and his associates, plural? There was only one person with Kleinhouse when they discovered Hathor.

3: Hammond and O'Neill discuss the Stargate openly in front of Hathor, then, when Daniel starts to tell Hathor about Ra, Hammond says to only give info on a need-to-know basis. Uh, you're a bit late for that, George.

4?: She's sensing the Stargate. "We were drawn to it." But Teal'c had said that the Goa'uld carried homing devices to keep track of the gate. Hathor wasn't seen to have such a device. Of course, we don't know what it looks like, so we can't be certain she didn't have one.

5: When she used her souped-up hand device on Carter, the one that left Kleinhouse and his associate(s) 'killed brutally,' Carter was only thrown across the room. Even though the wave had the same blue corona and the same range. And Carter's back up and shooting in the amount of time it took Hathor to say "You have failed us, our love! You will not fail us again" and activate her hand device.

6: Why's it take so long to activate when she's trying to use it on O'Neill? It took a few seconds to warm up.

7: Carter starts shooting while Hathor's hand device is on standby. The whole symbiote-jacuzzi thing catches fire. Maybe Goa'uld, especially queen Goa'uld, are just that strong, so the bullets and fire not hurting her didn't surprise me. But her clothes weren't damaged either.

8: And wasn't that just water Hathor was in? Why would shooting at her make the symbiotes catch fire? (Which, you'll notice, doesn't happen to any Tok'ra when Egeria dies. File that under screwups for Cure.)

9: Hathor's about to gate out. A voice says "Unauthorized Gate activation. All hands to the Gate room." Two things here: First, there's nobody in the gate room or the control room, so who said that? Second, wouldn't all hands mean everyone in the whole facility?

10: And just how's Hathor know how to operate the gate controls?

And, when Hathor returns, there's a few more:

1: Hathor no longer switches back and forth. The only thing she says in her human voice is "Silence!" when she first appears.

2: Her voice effect is different now. Better, but different.

3: A fully-grown symbiote in a Jaffa and it's not harmful to Jaffa or symbiote? That's not what we'd see later in Crossroads.

4: Hathor's hand device no longer does the blue corona.

5: Its brainfry mode now has a lot more range than most other hand devices.

6: She shrugs off several bullets. She shrugs off fire. And O'Neill's strong enough to toss her into the cryo-stuff?

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In Watergate, Teal'c has to activate the Gate so the aliens could get through. But wasn't the point of the episode that the Gate couldn't be deactivated? He shouldn't have had to open the Gate because the whole plot of the episode was that the gate was stuck open already.

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You obviously missed the part where they discover the Russian remote probe was what was keeping the Stargate activated. Once they made capture of that probe with the sub, the gate was successfully deactivated.

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Then, there's Hathor. Great episode, but one screwup after another.

1: Daniel says that Kleinhouse and his associates were killed brutally, and the sarcophagus was found by Kleinhouse's other assosciates, who were outside. For this to happen, either Hathor got out of the temple without encountering Kleinhouse's Other Associates, or Klienhouse's Other Associates were able to get into the temple without encountering Hathor. How?

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News flash: pyramids (even Mayan ones) are big. Kleinhouse's team may have been at other points around the pyramid far from the entrance. Hathor may have gotten away clean, or mayhaps killing one or two more archeologists on the way out (answering question #2 as well)

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4?: She's sensing the Stargate. "We were drawn to it." But Teal'c had said that the Goa'uld carried homing devices to keep track of the gate. Hathor wasn't seen to have such a device. Of course, we don't know what it looks like, so we can't be certain she didn't have one.

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And you've answered your own nitpick.

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5: When she used her souped-up hand device on Carter, the one that left Kleinhouse and his associate(s) 'killed brutally,' Carter was only thrown across the room. Even though the wave had the same blue corona and the same range. And Carter's back up and shooting in the amount of time it took Hathor to say "You have failed us, our love! You will not fail us again" and activate her hand device.

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Who's to say that Hathor brutally killed Kleinhouse and co. with that one hand blast? The scene cuts out at what may have been a long, brutal death scene where she fries some brains or knocks some folks around on the walls like a cat playing with a mouse.

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6: Why's it take so long to activate when she's trying to use it on O'Neill? It took a few seconds to warm up.

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Psychokinetic charge needed a buildup. The hand weapon was fully charged and on standby when Hathor knocked Sam around, but needed to re-energize for a second shot....
...and if you cite an episode like "Double Jeopardy" where Cronus does some fancy things with a hand weapon, mind you, the hand weapon Hather had was a few thousand years older than Cronus'. She may have had an outdated, less-capable model.

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8: And wasn't that just water Hathor was in? Why would shooting at her make the symbiotes catch fire? (Which, you'll notice, doesn't happen to any Tok'ra when Egeria dies. File that under screwups for Cure.)

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Goa'ulds dying a violent death may expend excess psychic energy in their death throes. Out there in naked water, they "burn" up. Egeria may have expended most or all her psionic energy prior to death.

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10: And just how's Hathor know how to operate the gate controls?

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Same way Apophis went home in "CotG".

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1. Hathor no longer switches back and forth. The only thing she says in her human voice is "Silence!" when she first appears.

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In "Hathor", she was trying to fool everyone that she was a friendly Goa'uld. She didn't need to play that trick later in "Out of Mind"/"Into the Fire".

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3: A fully-grown symbiote in a Jaffa and it's not harmful to Jaffa or symbiote? That's not what we'd see later in Crossroads.

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What did we see that Jaffa do? He walked in and stood silently. Shau'nac certainly could walk around, too. Just because that male Jaffa didn't act like he was suffering does not mean he wasn't.

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4: Hathor's hand device no longer does the blue corona.

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She snagged herself a hand weapon a little less?out of date.

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5: Its brainfry mode now has a lot more range than most other hand devices.

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Compared to what? The instance where Klorel uses brainfry on Daniel as he kneels in "Within the Serpent's Lair", or where Ragnok starts frying Teal'c's brain while he lay on the floor in "Serpent's Venom"? Both those instances had "long ranged" brainfry effects.

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6: She shrugs off several bullets. She shrugs off fire. And O'Neill's strong enough to toss her into the cryo-stuff?

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Duh. She's a girl.
Seriously, though, as powerful as Goa'uld may be, they do need to breathe. Chokeholds kinda deny that vital function, eh?

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You obviously missed the part where they discover the Russian remote probe was what was keeping the Stargate activated. Once they made capture of that probe with the sub, the gate was successfully deactivated.

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just to pick on one point, taking out a symbionte isnt a big deal, tealc does it several times... its only when its out for an hour that the effects kick in.
Shaunac was distressed as this was a mature Goa'uld that should have been out of her body a week last sunday... not some stage in the future.

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I mean the Jaffa should have been distressed that the adult Goa'uld was in there in the first place.

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The Jaffa from "Out of Mind" did look a little out of it. But why should he be distressed about the mature Goa'uld inside him when there came an immediate opportunity for a viable host? As long as there was no concern to find a host, as in "Crossroads," there's really no need to be worried.

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In Fire & Water when SG1 arrived through the gate Hammond said that they couldn't have been deployed more than 3 hours ago, later on he said that they had been gone for almost 4.

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How about on the episode ?Shadow Play? when the professor is hallucinating he?s running around the planet with his Jonas dream. Just before he falls and hits his head when they two of them are running upstairs when Jonas turns around you can see he?s carrying an intar as a sidearm.

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Children of the Gods: When the Stargate team goes to Abydos, they dress up on desert-style camo. Naturally, this is because they know the terrain and anticipate it.

Same episode, they go to Chulak. Having never sent a probe through, nor have any fair idea of what the terrain is going to be like (for all they know, these aliens prefer desert environments), SG-1 and SG-2 are nonetheless perfectly suited for Chulak's temperate climes as they are dressed up in green. How did they know beforehand that they'd need forest-style camoflague?

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