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Origionally posted by president doc
It shows that not much development was made in times of peace, but within a decade of war, everything can change.

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Originally posted by Bose-Einstein
The F-15 was developed in a rush in response to the new MIG-25 Foxbat. America assumed by the look of it alone that it was the best fighter ever and they would need a great counterpart. Turned out in fact that the MIG-25 was great at going fast in a straight line, but nothing else really. The M1 Tanks weren't about during Vietnam, though I can't be so certain that the Americans realised during Vietnam that their existing tanks just didn't cut it and thus made better ones. Heh.

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Originally posted by Siler Jr

It is impossible to be sure what state future technology advancement will take. I simply extrapolate from the general history of the last century, president doc evidently extrapolates from the changes over the last decade.

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Originally posted by Deathbunny
Defense requirements provide the impetus and drive to explore new technologies and overcome the sociopolitical inertia against making the effort...

...Profit motive promotes efficiency in production and refinement of existing technology.

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OK, the technology is being developed...

...the fielding and practical refinement is on hold.

"It's not your Daddy's SDI!"

Or at least that's what they want you to think!!!

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It's bit sad that they hasn't followed up the bedrosian story. It would've given more than following up the tollan story.

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About New Ground - if you think religion won't allow tech advancment, then they could simply spy on the Optricans (the non religious ones?) and nick tech.

And what giant leap do the Goa'uld make in S5? Why is it giant, what do you ahve to compare it to, maybe they were working on it for the past 3 seasons. You see in Upgrades (with the Armbands) that Apophis is working on developing a new ship. Teal'c also says he hasn't seen the shield that Apophis first use in the Nox. I'm sure you're overlooking loads of advancements.

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I guess my thread on religion is from a judeo-christian point of view(as the dark ages were an effect of the actions of wrong-headed christians), so I guess that I could be wrong at that point. Other religions may be more effienct at developing technology. But I think that it is a problem for development when the religion doesn't allow space-travel, but then again it's a earth-centric view...

The tech development(for the goa'ulds) in pre season 5 episodes is merely consisting of refinement of older technologies. In season 5 they come up with solutions to almost every problem in a accelerating pace. New tech's is developed at a daily basis almost. Which is an incredible acceleration given that they haven't developed new weapons or transport systems for at least 2000 years prior to that. Suddenly they seem like an uncurable disease which no one will be able to stop.

Maybe it's just my dissapointment with the more black & white episodes of season five(those that are evil are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo evil and those that are good are soooooooooooooooooooooo good), that makes see too much in the episodes. I mean why can't someone just cut the head of this boring 'Anubis' character. He's so boring that I actually would've have preferred that they revived 'Apophis' for the thousand time instead.

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Whats wrong in having a totally bad guy and a totally good set of people?

The shades of grey are amply filled in with the likes of Yu, the Tok'ra, the NID and various others within the pentagon/SGC, or earths allies... even the russians and others... lets wait another 5-10 episodes.

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It's too much Star Wars over that. And if I wanted to see Star Wars, I would see Star Wars. But I think that Star Wars is boring and you can never guess why...

And now, my deepest fear has come try. A Darth Vader has gotten his way into the show. Hiding his face, exclaimed as pure evil without no explenation what so ever. Please tell me that this doesn't continue in Episode III, excuse me season 6. (I haven't got a high-speed internet connection, so I cannot check it out for myself). Please...

Disclaimer: If you don't share my opionion, please don't flame. Just tell me that everything gonna be fine and not Star Wars.

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Well, youve seen one episode, dont judge from there! jeeze, wait till you see a few episodes in season six
Im sure his character will be explained more in there.

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as long as he is less darth vaderish... i'll be fine

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Well maybe a lot of Anubis's new technology comes from the Tollan? I know that Anubis had the shield tech to counteract the Ion cannon before he took over the Tollan. But maybe some of the new tech comes from the Tollan.

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For centuries the Goa'uld saw no reason to develop their technology. They were all at equal levels technologically speaking and the Asgard were leaving them alone so there were no other races that were even remotely a threat to them.

Then we come along. We may not be as advanced as they are but we know how to fight. Suddenly there's this little blue planet which, while primitive in comparison, seems to pose a massive threat.
The Goa'uld then start developing new technology.
Apophis' Personal Shield
New Motherships
Cloaking devices, both for personal and ship usage.

Most of these were developed by Apophis, who knew how much of a threat we were.

Then we start killing loads of System Lords (to the extent where there is only one original, Yu, remaining)

The entire Goa'uld empire begins breaking down because the System Lords are being killed and are not there to regulate lesser Goa'uld. Goa'uld are forming larger armies consisting of the troops of their deceased enemies.

So in the past 5 year, the Goa'uld have suddenly made a number of technological advancements that wouldn't have come about had we not turned up and started doing them in.

And it was never said that the Tollans were transplanted humans. My personal theory is that, like us, they are the result of a less advanced colony of the ancients, only they progressed faster than we did, either because they were established before we were or because they are less violent they managed to develop technologies faster through cooperation. Also, they didn't appear to have any sort of monetary system, something that holds back many potential technological advances because "its too expensive".

Anubis has garnered his tech from an unknown source that will either be revealed later in the season or in the movie. Although as he had one piece of Ancients' technology (the Stargate weapons from "Redemption"), I don't think its too far fetched to assume that other items of Ancients technology have fallen into his hands, although the Neural Implant from "Revelations" didnt look like an Ancients device so he may have several different sources which he is drawing his new technology from. So far he has:

Enhanced shield generators
Neural Implant
Enhanced Weapons systems
Sensors capable of detecting cloaked ships (recently developed as they had to look for atmospheric disturbances in "Last Stand" to locate Jacob's Cargo Ship so this tech may have been taken from Thor's mind)
He also has security in mind as his Mothership registered illegal ring transports, which has not been done in the past by any Goa'uld.

Well, that post turned out a little longer than originally planned.

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Earth poses no threat to the system lords... the producers realised this after season one and introduced the PPT, thats the only thing standing in the way of 50 Goa'uld ships pulverising the planet.

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