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The gate is round and therefore has something to do with circular reasoning.

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enough about the circle k?
The eighth chevron in my waked up theorism is just another level of access and you just put it maybe before the seven other corrdinates and bingo you are diected to the next level of stargates. into a whole new set of planets in a whole new set of galaxies. probably eight galaxies in total. thats my theory.

P.S Please be soft with the torture

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eight galaxies in total? what r u whacked?

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maybe not only eight (could be 39) but the point is its a level changer.

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10-29-2002 07:17 AM

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Re: I've solved it!!!!!

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In the movie Daniel identify the glyphs as constellations - this is fact (that he identified them, not that it is true).

In the whole series can anyone remember this 'fact' being proven? I'm serious, has Tok'ra, Asgard, or anyone ever confirmed this finding? I don't believe so.

umm yep its been not so much proven as backed up, on a couple of ocasions sam has described how the adresses that the sgc explore are in fact calculated by taking the adresses on the abydoss cartouche and adjusting for stellar drift, indicating that the glyphs represent stationary (in the absolute sense) points in space, and that a stargate will move from one address to another as the system it is in follows the galactic rotation.

Quick question, what happens when everything rotates out of the co-ordinate space of the glyphs? (yeah i know how long it would take)

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I think the Stargate is a circle because of the physics used to control a stable wormhole. By forcing the gate's energy discharge into a circle, the energy is forced to discharge forwards and backwards; by various magical methods, most of the energy explodes backwards, forming the wormhole.

As for why the eighth chevron needs more energy, that's simpler. In the seven-chevron range of the Stargate, the standard energy input is sufficient to fold space and create the wormhole at any seven-chevron address. With an eight-chevron address, more energy is needed because the spatial distance is further. Once the wormhole is formed, then the two points are connected anyway; it just takes more energy to reach some than others.

I don't think the DHD is capable of supplying the power needed to reach an eight-chevron address, or at least can't do so without gimmicking.

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Spatial distance means nothing for a wormhole that tunnels through extramdimensional space.

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So the standard 7 chevron dial would result in 137 000 million addresses (39^7 = 137 231 006 679 addresses). Which would be enough for our immediate surrounds.

It would only dial that many addresses if each cheveron could be used more than once. But, unlike telephone numbers (and if what Daniel said in the movie holds), they can't. Also, the last glyph is always the same meaning there are 2,349,088,560 possable address with seven cheverons and 77,519,922,480 with eight.

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Answer: There isn`t one. Unless the writers decide to come up with something which science buffs will rip to shreads.

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quote:
Originally posted by Duke Enmes?rr?
maybe not only eight (could be 39) but the point is its a level changer.

Probably correct.

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...backed up, on a couple of ocasions sam has described how the adresses that the sgc explore are in fact calculated by taking the adresses on the abydoss cartouche and adjusting for stellar drift...

Good point, however my theory still fits with this fact. You are still assuming Sam/Daniel are correct in what they think; the gate needs 6 points in 3D space and the glyphs represent stars/constellations.

I've proposed that this isn't the case. Yet still planets do stellar shift all over the place so things still need to be adjusted for as the planets are no longer where the DHD thinks they are. A bit like a telephone redirection when you move; I dial your old number, but some computer takes over and directs me to your new place.

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It would only dial that many addresses if each cheveron could be used more than once.... there are 2,349,088,560 possable address with seven cheverons and 77,519,922,480 with eight.

Oh I knew my maths would be out. Not to be argumentative but has it been shown that glyphs cannot be used more than once? Or is this is gatetravel 101? But in any case the numbers are still quite large.

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Kamakazi is right. In order to get the six points needed to chart a 3-D x,y,z intersection, each point would have to be unique. Otherwise the x,y,z intersect would be wrong and the gate would report an -ENOGATE.

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This is to TheOneKEA:

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What I don't get is why the gate would need any more power to travel greater distance. The whole point of a wormhole is that the energy needed to cross space is not relative to the amount of space to be traversed. You could go next door, you could go to another galaxy at the same expense of energy and time.

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Kamakazi is right. In order to get the six points needed to chart a 3-D x,y,z intersection, each point would have to be unique. Otherwise the x,y,z intersect would be wrong and the gate would report an -ENOGATE.

This is still assuming the points are objects in space (planets, stars, whatever). I have proposed that they are nothing more than a reference for the DHD **COMPUTER**, in which case it would be possible to enter the same symbol more than once.

As for the extra power, well perhaps the gate's internal computer (for want of a better word) needs the extra CALCULATING power.

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needs the extra CALCULATING power.

No. If as you say the symbols represent not objects but just calcuable figures, then it would require no extra energy to calculate as location. Or if it did it would be minute, not enough to down the entire SGC.

Hell our Earth computers can calculate the location of an object that far away using cartesian axes, not this stupid 6 points thing, with no greater expense of energy.

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maybe its to bypass the security measures in place to prevent incorrect dialing of an extra glyph, so that you're not transported somewhere you dont want to be....

dial 8 glyphs on a normal DHD, no joy, please try again.
dial 8 gylphs with a superchared dhd, bypass preventative measure by energy signature, zoom to the outer rim. Means you have to make sure thats where you want to go.

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