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president doc
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Can you see them moving in the split second before transport, they would only have to be frozen for a split second, how about the scene where Jonas and a body of water are transported, we see the opposite argument there.

We now have to opposite points, the water and frozen argument, and the moving argument, I just asked you if you could tell they were frozen for a split second before transport... I put forward that one cant tell, they could quite easily be.

For arguments sake, even if they werent frozon, it would introduce inconsistancy in the show, so we decide to go with the frozen one as cannon because it fits with what works.

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The wave take much longer than a split second to travers the entire lenght of the rings, and you would need to be in stasis for the entire duration of it. In The Other Guys he waves his hand even as the wave passes over it. And you can hear him talking and see him moving when you hear the wave begin to work on him and Teal'c.

so we decide to go with the frozen one as cannon because it fits with what works.
You can decide to do that if you wish but it would be an error in judgement (that is if one is seeking to get to the bottom of this), disregarding obvious data.

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Uh no, clearly you didnt read a word of my post.
I said two sides are shown, and thus one has to be chosen as canon, so the logical thing is to chose the one which works rather than to come up with some crap threory involving rabbits which works even less than anything said thus far but somehow combines two portrayals that contradict each other on the show.

Both portrayals were also recent so it cant be said that ones newer than the other and hence holds more validity.


alternatively, the body could be scanned and progressively transmitted through a higher dimension and thus travel uninterrupted from one point to another, thus negating the need to do everything at once and meaning the body wouldnt plop to the ground.

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First of all we have to think about how transporters work in general. To my knowledge the transporter beam transfers your physical information into digital information. So the wave passing over would actually just be changing your structure into digital light. That info would transported to the recieving ring which would translate that info into physical material. During all this the rings would keep any particles being re-materialised in place until it was complete.

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Dr.taz about your post

Spoiler:

From the chat with joe mallozzi here
J_MALLOZZI: It was never intended to be all in Felger's head. Just the ceremony. However, watching the finished episode we realized, "Uh oh. People are going to think it was all a daydream."

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I said two sides are shown, and thus one has to be chosen as canon
I read it all and replied with why do we have to choose one. Neither of them are correct, so why do we have to select one?

So the wave passing over would actually just be changing your structure into digital light.
Light is energy, Carter distinctly says matter stream.

During all this the rings would keep any particles being re-materialised in place until it was complete.
But it doesn't. I spent several posts saying that.

would translate that info into physical material.
You can have all the information in the world but without source matter of the same volume and configuration of the specs you can't rematerialise the object. Not only would the rings need to transmit reintegration specs, but the actual source matter, which it does (The Devil You Know)

alternatively, the body could be scanned and progressively transmitted through a higher dimension and thus travel uninterrupted from one point to another
But,
- If it worked progressively then the source matter would be transmitted gradually along the carrier beam wheras it is sent as a distinct packet.

- (The Devil You Know or something) Carter said that the rings operate like a gate except the trip occurs wholly in our dimension

- This is an honest question here, I'm actually asking that if the carrier beam is operating in a higher dimension, would it actually appear in ours?

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Oh and if the ring beam worked in a higher plane, it would be un affected by physical matter.

The carrier beam on the show needs to have line of sight.

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And yet a stargate wormhole which has even been stated in the scientifically devoid show to tunnel through a higher dimension also needs line of sight and cant pass through a solar flare without spinning round the sun and going through time

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also needs line of sight
It does?

pass through a solar flare without spinning round the sun and going through time
Granted, lol. I had alot of problems with that concept when it first came up aswell.

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Well, given my second point, it appears that it does need a line of sight in the show now doesnt it

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Actually, Stargete wormholes do not need line of sight. It just works best if they did.

"Red Sky"?they plowed through the Katal sun and, as Sam theorized, introduced a heavy element into the star when the wormhole passed through another planet, picking up the material in transit.

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That is another thing that really didn't sit well. A wormhole depositing stuff.

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Actually it looks more like the rings are just there to protect whatever is in the beam and the beam only seems to be like a Tractor beam. It travels in a straight line (most of the time) and well from the few ive whatched the whole thing is just shot along a tunnel of energy. the rings are the solid matter that the tractor beam locks onto and then as a package the rings are pulled along this tunnel and then sat down at their destination.

Simple.

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There are 2 sets of rings required for long range transmissions. What tractor beam? There is a carrier stream that decintegrated matter is transmitted along to the destination platform, where the rings at that end reintegrate it.

the rings are the solid matter that the tractor beam locks onto
Well where is the reactor beam then?

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Slightly off topic, but does a cargo ship have two sets of rings? Or does it use the same both inside and outside... in which case the matter stream can be "stored" while the rings reconfigure themselves.

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