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Rather than dig up any of the past related threads, I'm going to start a whole new one.

I'm totally convinced now that the Ancients were humans on Earth millions of years ago and that Oma's people are ascended spirits of the ancients from Earth and other humans around the Galaxy. We either evolve to the point where we are ready to accend or we are guided to accension by an already accended human.

The Ancients are the humans who inhabited Earth millions of years ago in Atlantis which is the continent we know of as Antarctica. They built the Stargates, and along with the help of races such as the Asguard, Nox and the Furlings they were able to place Stargates throughout the galaxy. The four races kept an eye on our Galaxy long before the Goa'uld were around.

Then something happened on Earth, a global disaster, such as a shift in the earths poles. Atlantis was thrust into the freezing temperatures of the location of antacrica today and the people began to die out, however the survivors ascended to another plane of existance. Those who were left behind were preserved in the ice, such as the woman found in 'Frozen'. The disease she had, could have simply been a part of the ascension process. This is how the gate was buried in ice, and nothing of the ancients was ever found, since it's under miles and miles of ice.

With the Ancients gone, Earth's life slowly returned to normal. Early humans began to evolve into pre-historic man. The Asgaurd began to be more involved in their own affairs as the replicators began threatening their Galaxy. The Nox... flew around in their city ships as usual, and the furlings.. well who knows?. As time passed Ra arrived in a ship and convinced the people of Earth he was our God, he placed a second Gate on earth and began to ship us off around the Galaxy. And the rest, we all know.

Any input? Critics welcome. Ignore my terrible spelling too, not had much caffine yet.

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I never get how an intergalactic hyperpower always seems to perish on their homeworld due to a smallscale disaster.... didnt they think of living perhaps somewhere else on the face of the planet?
Besides, Antarctica wasnt always the frozen wasteland it is now.
(as for poles switching, I doubt it would cause continents to sink )

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It doesnt cause contintents to sink, it does however cause them to be thrust into an entirely new environment. Atlantis would have been covered in ice. Over hundreds of years it would grow denser and denser.

As for a small time disaster, a pole shift is a very real threat to us even today. Were overdue for one ourselves. The Ancients could have been taken completely by surprise.

And as you should know, continents drift. The area of Atlantis could easily have settled in the location we know of as Antarctica. In fact in the real universe this is a theory supported by a vast number of the scientific community.

Why would anyone put a Gate in an eco-system that does not support much of life as we know it?

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Thats what im trying to tell you, Antarctica wasnt always a frozen wasteland, so saying the ancients got screwed over due to millions of years of continental drift and didnt realise it creeping up on them is a red herring.

A change in earths poles also wouldnt really make much of a difference for us besides make compasses point the wrong way.

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Bah, your completely missunderstanding me. I'm explaining a timeline of events and your not even getting it.

You think I mean a polar "switch" which is when north become south and vice versa. I'm reffering to an actual shift of the earth. Where the build up of ice at the poles causes an offbalance which cannot be stabilised. The earth would simply topple over on itself. The poles would be thrown into a tropical cilmate and the land mass in it's previous place would be in a world of.... ice.

That would probably cause your compass to go right up your ass.

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urm.... what? why would it do that? that doesnt happen...
youd have been better off saying that Kirk came from another universe and somehow screwed things up.

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Heres a couple of sites which give an explanation of the theory:

http://www.viewzone.com/changingpoles.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Tro...ightfall053.htm

The particular theory had supporters such as Einstein. He wasn't exactly an idiot you know. These theories dont seem to detail the "ice build up" argument. But the end result is the same, if you take the time to read.

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The point is, surface ice and even all the oceans of earth have minimal effect on its overall orbital stability.
Were talking about a mass weighing on the order of hexillions of tonnes, youre not going to get the earth swinging around like an ape because of an iceage.
One of the sites you mentioned talked of a shift in the poles and of large scale effects, but never linked the two in any detail!!!

Regardless of whetheer einstein supported it or not... I fail to see how it lends credence to it...
I didnt see where this was said... but perhaps this isnt quite in einsteins field anyway?! geology.... physics... last time i checked, einstein didnt do research into the history of the earths geology

This seems to be based on old knowledge too, not taking into account plumes or any of the other recent geological discoveries.
Best of all, this seems to be the work of a historian.

I could point you to numerous moon hoax sites on the net.. but they all invariably fall apart with the first glance of a probing scientific mind.

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Somewhere along in the future, humanity as we know is going to finally innovate and solve the one thing the Ancients screwed up (because we started from the base of their research and eventually advanced it further by thinking "out of the box" and solved problems with unconventional logic). Time travel. And somewhere in the deep future, by accident or by purpose, an advanced human race is going to get themselves knocked thousands of years into the past.

With the advanced base of knowledge they already have, they start seeding up the galaxy with their "transpatial aperatures", using the tradition and memory of Earth's constellations to create symbolic glyphs on the device in order to establish an address system (much like how we use symbols first crafted long ago in Asia to designate phone numbers today) and eventually ascending into the form of the Ancients.

They come back to Earth, ensure the rise of Western industrial civilization by patronizing a city republic tailor-made for it's legacy (Rome), then haul ass with the rest of the aliens in the exodus from Earth.

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One thing... how do aliens calculate gate coordinates, or humans for that matter.. even if constellations were to work for arguments sake from earth... sigh.. no, forget it, im not going into that black hole

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I've recently thrown in my own theory. Each glyph represents a unique Stargate beacon located in space. The glyphs are merely symbols, the symbols of constellations that influenced the Ancient's knowledge and traditions. The fact that those constellations can only be seen from Earth is telling, no?

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rh's "stargate beacons in space" is making more and more sense the more i think about it - not that i doubt much of what he says though =)

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The problem with that RH is...even if it were correct, earth routinely uses coordinates coupled with stellar drift to calculate new addresses, and calculates home adresses prior to going offworld off world by using constellations as fixed points in space. Thus they make quite clear that the constellations arent arbitrary beacons, but are really based on a set of constellations which are identical across the galaxy

hopefully they WILL adress this in one of the closing episodes...who knows.

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