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Arnie
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quote:
Originally posted by The Ash Man


he isn't a member of the fandom, so why would he do that?



Then why is he participating in a Stargate Forum?

Katana's request was simply for people to sign the petition. She was trying to frogmarch anyone over there and MAKE them sign, she was just letting people know that if they feel p***ed off enough, there's petition there to sign.

I signed it, it only took a minute. and even if MGM does just chuck it in the bin, at least they won't be left with the impression that no one minds the site being only for Americans.

Arnie

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The Ash Man
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quote:
Originally posted by president doc
She was entitled to put up her petition here, this is a stargate forum.


i am not saying she wasn't entitled. That'd be censorship, and i'm against that.


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Originally posted by president doc
We maybe getting cynical in our old age, but theres less use complaining about these petitions popping up everwhere that there is signing them.


yeah, but it's the principle of the thing. Do you not think that MGM didn't think this through. All they see is dollar signs, yes, the odd hard core fan may not buy anymore videos or DVDs, but at the end of the day, sales will remain. Showtime is broadcast in America, so the USA is the country that gets it. it's as simple of that.

Why should we run around signing petitions and sending them e-mails? I sent them an e-mail asking why and they responded by saying "go to the showtime website and e-mail them". i'm not going to waste my time going about trying to change the minds of a group of fat cigar smoking men in designer suits, they don't care who they piss off. Showtime is a US company, and as such, can claim that their internet sites are for subscribers, or just American citizens in general.

the site will either come down totally or move to other servers in a few months anyway.

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Majson
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it wasnt the greatest of sites but it would be nice to be able to access it...still..heres to hope

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Katana
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quote:
Originally posted by president doc
She was entitled to put up her petition here, this is a stargate forum.
We maybe getting cynical in our old age, but theres less use complaining about these petitions popping up everwhere that there is signing them.



Thank you :-)

Happy Gatin'

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just injor the one ones

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Arnie
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Katana's request was simply for people to sign the petition. She was trying to frogmarch anyone over there and MAKE them sign, she was just letting people know that if they feel p***ed off enough, there's petition there to sign.
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Now, that'll teach me to proof read it more thoroughly! Naturally, I meant to say she "wasn't trying to frogmarch".

Sorry, Katana.

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Katana
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Katana's request was simply for people to sign the petition. She was trying to frogmarch anyone over there and MAKE them sign, she was just letting people know that if they feel p***ed off enough, there's petition there to sign.
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Now, that'll teach me to proof read it more thoroughly! Naturally, I meant to say she "wasn't trying to frogmarch".

Sorry, Katana.

Arnie



Not a problem :-)

And thank you for the support :-)

Happy Gatin'

Katana

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Matthew
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Originally posted by The Ash Man
i would sign it but i can't be bothered. they stop me from accessing the site, and then have the bloody cheek to sign me up (without my knowedlge or consent) to their mailing list.




Just back to that, he's right though. I tried signing into my own account, but got the password wrong and didn't remember until later. Therefore, my email address was only entered on the login screen.

Later that day, I start getting Showtime emails to my address, which I've never had before and never signed up to. Is this another reason why non-US people can't get in? So they can send US-specific email nonsense to people logging in?

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Katana
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Just back to that, he's right though. I tried signing into my own account, but got the password wrong and didn't remember until later. Therefore, my email address was only entered on the login screen.

Later that day, I start getting Showtime emails to my address, which I've never had before and never signed up to. Is this another reason why non-US people can't get in? So they can send US-specific email nonsense to people logging in?



Back in 1999 when I first joined the site....I still have the orignal email... they emailed me my password.

When I've managed to complete a MALP I was sent an email.

I don't see a problem with recieving emails from a site I WILLINGLY signed up for.

I've had several emails from this site over the last few days!!

Admittly I DO have a public email addresses, and therefore being spammed is a fact of life, I just run 'em through spamcop or report them to the orginating ISP/Email server, delete and move on.

Happy Gatin'

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Nick Fury
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It's just a thought of course, but I can't help thinking that if we DON'T kick up a stink when MGM pulls little stunts like this - that just show their low regard for the SG-1 fans who aren't true born god-fearing americans (and therefore the only ones who matter to the suits in the accounts department) - then all we can expect in future is to be treated in the same manner over and over again.

A couple of decades ago, a moderately successful TV show got canceled after it's second series and the fans became righteously indignant: letter writing campaigns were begun, calls of complaint flooded in, the wrath of thousands of disappointed fans came down on the head of an unsuspecting studio because he'd had the temerity to cancel a little known show called 'Star Trek' - we all know what happened to that show... It's now the ultimate cash-cow of SF-Fandom - and the show that opened the floodgates for TV science fiction shows that still appear on our screens today.

I know it's also gave us the stereotyped image of SF fans <thank you SO much Bjo Trimble>, but it set a dangerous precedent - that what the fans think matters... Interestingly, there are more members of the SGC than there were correspondants in that long gone writing campaign, so it's likely that if they were ALL willing to take a few moments to dash off a complaint e-mail to MGM, it's possible that the sheer volume of correspondence would make them think again about their decision - assuming it doesn't crash their mail server of course...

I've read a lot of comments along the lines of 'can't be bothered, it wasn't a good site, it's not THAT good a show'.. These people are missing the point - if we accept the sort of treatment that allows these attitudes to be ignored, to go unaddressed, then that's ALL we're going to receive: bad shows, mediocre web presence and more apathy because in the twenty-first century people are starting to believe that quality doesn't matter, that nowhere beyond their front door is important and that it's not their place to complain, because someone else is going to do it!

It doesn't matter if you can access the site yourself, it's not about YOU, it's about the principle of the thing - MGM want to sell their merchandise, their programming packages, their corporate image to the whole world - so why isn't the whole world allowed to see what they're selling (in this case, the SGC) If you're quite happy and complacent with your acces and the bread and circuses of the new, updated site, then I'm not interested in what you think, you're cattle and you get what you deserve! It's people like Katana that make a difference, the ones with the desire to stand up and raise their voices in complaint, who dare to have an opinion of their own - who want to make a difference!

I've signed the petition and sent an email to MGM, I only hope that enough people share the same concern...

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It doesn't matter if you can acess the site yourself, it's not about YOU, it's about the principle of the thing - MGM want to sell their merchandise, their programming packages, their corporate image to the whole world - so why isn't the whole world allowed to see what they're selling (in this case, the SGC) If you're quite happy and complacent with your acces and the bread and circuses of the new, updated site, then I'm not interested in what you think, you're cattle and you get what you deserve! It's people like Katana that make a difference, the ones with the desire to stand up and raise their voices in complaint, who dare to have an opinion of their own - who want to make a difference!

I've signed the petition and sent an email to MGM, I only hope that enough people share the same concern...



Nick...Thank you firstly for the support :-)

Secondly in that paragragh you have succinctly summed up exactly what I'm trying to do :-)

Happy Gatin'

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darth_vader
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i think that they are out of orde as i have tried to join there crappy web site and it says enter a valid phone number and when i enter in my number with the national code, the area code and the number it says enter a valid phone number and i have tried doing it without the national code and the sasme thing but i hope they put the site back on

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Nick Fury
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Nick...Thank you firstly for the support :-)

Secondly in that paragragh you have succinctly summed up exactly what I'm trying to do :-)

Happy Gatin'

Katana



My pleasure, Katana!

Let's face it, it isn't the first time MGM have shown their true colours, but maybe this time, enough of us will get our hands dirty to make them think twice...

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It's just a thought of course, but I can't help thinking that if we DON'T kick up a stink ... then all we can expect in future is to be treated in the same manner over and over again.


...I've read a lot of comments along the lines of 'can't be bothered, it wasn't a good site, it's not THAT good a show'.. These people are missing the point - if we accept the sort of treatment that allows these attitudes to be ignored, to go unaddressed, then that's ALL we're going to receive...It doesn't matter if you can access the site yourself, it's not about YOU, it's about the principle of the thing -



Very well said, Nick.

And by the way, welcome to the forum!!!!!!

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