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Jaffa
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well i was just trying to get my point across that Americans Agencys are better. ,

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Old Post 11-18-2002 10:48 AM
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Red Spud
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Red Spud [/i]
[B]you cannot comment on the effectiveness of secret and security services as you simply do not known anything about their operations.[/B][/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jaffa [/i]
[B]BS the seals would rip the SAS a new ***hole. ANd then dont for get our Marine Recon, or the Rangers.

and remember Bond is FICTIONAL [/B][/QUOTE] I know a great many people who've been on Red Flag Excercises against the Americans, and that does just make me laugh.

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Venus
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Red Spud - doesn't that say something in itself?

And can we cut the flaming and insults on this thread?

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I read that the Americans had to learn all about the terrorist networks from the French!

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[quote]And can we cut the flaming and insults on this thread?[/quote]

The entire thread is an insult. It was started as a flame and Jaffa took the bait.

You can't bloody compare them. Of course Americians are going to say CIA/FBI/whatever are better and the Uk peeps are going to say MI5/MI6 are better. It's just the classical "My Daddy's bigger than yours, so nyah." Let it go.

Besides, LEPrecon is the greatest organisation of similiar ilk in the world)

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Roy
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Red Spud [/i]
[B]jaffa, you don't know anything... MI5 and the CIA are two very different organisations. MI5 (or the [i]Security Service[/i]) is a civilian agency which counters threats domesticaly in Britain, such as the thing in the underground. They are more like the FBI, who do the same kind of thing.

MI6 (or the [i]Secret Service[/i]) is a military intelligence agency which is more like the CIA in the fact that they run illegal "black ops" in other countries... of course, due to this, very few [b]facts[/b] about operations are known about either MI6 or the CIA.

therefore your argument is flawed, you cannot comment on the effectiveness of secret and security services as you simply do not known anything about their operations, just like missile and myself. [/B][/QUOTE]

The CIA is not "military" it is a civilian organization under the Executive branch of the federal government. The FBI is the same. This is why the "War on Terror" is so unique because the CIA is linking their PARAMILITARY forces with those of the military.

Now, is MI5/6 better? Possibly in some areas... but really, they've got to be sharing info. I bet that the two (MI5/6 and the CIA/FBI) are more linked than any other countries in the world.

In my opinion, the agency, as big as the CIA and FBI combined, that is curious is the NSA. These guys are really secretive. Nobody really knows what they do except that they deal with eavesdropping.

I saw a documentary about how good the CIA used to be when it had direct info sharing with the MOSSAD, then that was stopped and they went downhill. Maybe the MOSSAD is the best. Who knows?

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Well I think they're all stupid coz if they all worked together, things'd get done much quicker

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in regards to the FBI being eliminatedI doubt it because they have the best crime lab in the country and FBI experts are often called in for court cases and such.

there is no way to compare the MI's with the FBI/CIA to the MOSSAD to the former KGB to the Aussies to the Germans to the French to the Chinese etc.... Each organization was formed at different times by different people with similar but different goals. Each agency has had its hits and misses. They have had their internal and external problems... a comparison just wouldn't do any of the agencies any justice.

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Roy
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by missile [/i]
[B]9/11 need i say any more [/B][/QUOTE]

Events such as 9/11 are going to happen even in countries with the best intel agencies. To believe that intelligence efforts are going to stop it is absurd!

Using that logic would mean that British intel was responsible for all IRA attacks.

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bikemancs [/i]
[B]...there is no way to compare the MI's with the FBI/CIA to the MOSSAD to the former KGB to the Aussies to the Germans to the French to the Chinese etc.... Each organization was formed at different times by different people with similar but different goals. Each agency has had its hits and misses. They have had their internal and external problems... a comparison just wouldn't do any of the agencies any justice. [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh come on! any country's intelligence efforsts can be compared to anothers (ever heard of a MetaAnalysis). Doesn't matter if their called KGB, CIA, MI6, or whatever... they all syp and gather intel, either internal or external and they all use competing methods for gathering this info.

Besides, this thread is not about comparing the minute differences and models between different agencies. It's about who's best... which can't be answered in this thread. We can only huff and puff!

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No way. No friggin' way. Lockdown in progress.

There was only one purpose to this thread, and it was far from constructive. Trolling a thread along nationalist lines is way overdone, and not all that imaginative.

missile, you keep poking at the bear. Let's see how loud you scream when it mauls you.

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