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1969/2010 plot "oopsie"

In the episode "1969", we see SG-1 depart the SGC in the present, travel back in time, and end up in Cheyenne Mountain in the year 1969. The Stargate isn't there in 1969, and the team ends up in the interesting position of arriving in the past at the point of their departure (under the mountain).

In the episode "2010", the warning note is sent back through time via the Stargate, which at that time was located in Washington, DC. The note arrives in the past at the location of the Stargate in the year 2000?not only does it move ten years back in time, it magically transports itself from DC to Colorado as well!

If "2010" had followed consistently with the time-travel effect shown in "1969", the note should have popped out of nowhere and landed somewhere in the middle of Washington, DC, the location of the Stargate in the future.

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hrm..... but do we really know that stargate induced time travel is dependant on sender location, or on Staragte device location...?
The Gate is in 1969 wasn't at chyenne mt either, but they somehow turned up at the SGC...

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That's the kicker. We have two different episodes who create time travel by the exact same methodology, yet in one case, the destination was dependant on where the Stargate was located at time of origin, while in the other episode the destination was simply wherever the Stargate happened to be in the past.

If "1969" were 'true', then the note in "2010" should have ended up in Washington, where the gate was going to be.

If "2010" was 'true', then SG-1 in "1969" should have popped up where the Stargate was being stored in New York.

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At the end of 1969 SG-1 travel through the Stargate from where it is being stored in where ever and end up at Cheyenne mountain, coming out of the Stargate.

Maybe somebody fixed it or did something to the stargate in both futures?

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There was that whole scene in the begining of 1969 where they seemed to be in both times at once, and that wasnt repeated ever again.

One could explain it away by saying the only time they appeared where there wasnt a stargate, was a time where they had funky effects.
Thus you can explain away by saying that something different happened that time, for WHATEVER reason, take your pick... and that due to that reason, they didnt pop out of a stargate but at the same location they started their journey.
Which is another story... same location? shouldnt they have been somewhere in space due to galactic rotation, the expanding universe and the orbiting of the earth around the sun/rotation of the earth.

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I'm not sure if consistency is one of Stargate's strong points. Although I have to admit to not even spotting the 1969/2010 discrepancy.

1969 was notable, though, for ignoring most of the questions which arise from the concept of time travel and the grandfather paradox. Didn't explain how Hammond knew about SG-1 travelling back in time and sending a note to himself etc. - isn't that like a self-fulfilling prophecy? It seemed like a massive time loop - SG-1 go back to '69, give note to young Hammond, go forward in time, Hammond gives note to Sam, SG-1 go back to '69.

Or have I got this completely wrong?

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I must've read this wrong, cos it makes too much sense to me. Surely, in time travel, the note/travellers are gonna travel through time, not space (not incl the wormhole, if you count that as space). So, the object(s) would simply enter the SG (in 2010, or whererever they were at the end of 1969), go through the wormhole, meet the flare or whatever it is that caused time travel, still in the wormhole, and then come out at the next SG, irrelevant of space crossed (as in, don'tt still ahve to be in Cheyenne Mt)? Cos it's not like they have a problem gating to another planet, so why would they have a problem gating across half the planet (or half a continent) or... what? Yeah, I've read this wrong.

The bit in the beginning of 1969, didn't Carter explain that? Merged time frames or something?

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Originally posted by kiya
Didn't explain how Hammond knew about SG-1 travelling back in time and sending a note to himself etc. - isn't that like a self-fulfilling prophecy? It seemed like a massive time loop - SG-1 go back to '69, give note to young Hammond, go forward in time, Hammond gives note to Sam, SG-1 go back to '69.

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So, if, in retrospect, for scientific purposes, Hammond tried to stop the loop? He'd just not succeed?

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Originally posted by Venus
I must've read this wrong, cos it makes too much sense to me. Surely, in time travel, the note/travellers are gonna travel through time, not space (not incl the wormhole, if you count that as space). So, the object(s) would simply enter the SG (in 2010, or whererever they were at the end of 1969), go through the wormhole, meet the flare or whatever it is that caused time travel, still in the wormhole, and then come out at the next SG, irrelevant of space crossed (as in, don'tt still ahve to be in Cheyenne Mt)? Cos it's not like they have a problem gating to another planet, so why would they have a problem gating across half the planet (or half a continent) or... what? Yeah, I've read this wrong.

The bit in the beginning of 1969, didn't Carter explain that? Merged time frames or something?

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But I thought, that's kinda, irrelevent, cos they're still int he SG system, in a wormhole that got hit by a flare, they still have to come out the wormhole (i.e. through a SG?)

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In the 2010 episode, the gate in DC was active, right? Well, so was the gate in the year 2000 of the same episode. When the wormhole encountered the sloar flare, it redirected itself to the active gate in y2k.

In the 1969 episode, the gate in '69 had not been activated, thus I call it a "dead gate" Since that gate was inactive, the wormhole could not redirect itself there, so it just went back to it's point of origin, Level 28 of the Cheyanne complex.

I think...

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That is a very good speculation. There was no active power connection to the 1969 gate in New York, it was in essence a "dead" gate. In all the other instances, the gate was "alive" and running, espcially at the end of "1969" when SG-1 returned to Colorado (as Kamakazi Casper pointed out).

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In which case it would "explain away" the temporary mixture of two times, however, in that case, they really should have ended up billions of miles away in space.

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I think I figured out why SG-1 didn't end up in space. What could have happened was that the Earth was in the same place in 1969 and in 2000. The Earth rotates on it's axis, and at a certain point during a revolution around the sun, it's tilted a certain way. To prove this, ever had a winter when it should have been summer? No, not really, because the Earth's axis is precise enough that, as I said before, it is in a certain position at a certain time. When SG-1 went through the gate, and when the wormhole got redirected back, the Earth just happened t obe in the same place because of it's axis, revolution, and rotation. When they went through, if the wormhole is indeed near instant, then SG-1 would have arrived at the same time of day, on the same day, only 31 years back. Which explains why they weren't millions of miles away, somewhere along the Earth's path around the sun.

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