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Host-jumping

For quite a while I've been having a problem with the "host-jumping" change that was introduced in season two(in "Demons", i think). But thats not really the matter of discussion anyway...

One thing I would like know is why they felt it necessary to introduce such a lame thing in the series? Why doesn't all gou'ald use this ability? Why does the tok'ra have to do it another way? Why does it contradict things stated in "Hathor" so? (The thing about gou'ald needing host dna before entering a new host species)

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I always thought that the Goa'uld queen needed DNA to make more Sym's not so that they could go into a new host. The goa'uld do use this but it isn't seen as much as they have the nifty little machines that bring them back to life and make them forever young were as the tok'ra don't use them hense why they have to 'host jump'.

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I don't see what the problem is? The Tok'ra do it slightly differently cos they care about the host; jumping can kill them, but obviously the Goa'uld don't care.

I don't think it's lame, and it seems quite logical and natural. All Goa'uld do or will, if they need to, just sometimes they don't cos it's easier to wrap up an episode if they don't.

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Thoughts...........
I always thought that the Goa'uld queen needed DNA to make more Sym's not so that they could go into a new host.

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Which is contradicted when they reveal that Anubis has taken a furling as a host. To me it looks like furling doesn't have the same genetic make-up as a human host so??? And, for that matter, the symbiote from demons... It could jump from a unas to a human, even though it's strongly implied in the series that the symbiotes stopped using unas as hosts when they found humans to use for that purpose. Now really, wouldn't there be a minor dna incompability issue here? Especially since the unas symbiote would be incompatible with the human host since it had taken it's host before humans were introduced... But if we through the movie in to the mix, a lot more question aroses... Like Ra's host-jumping. Anyway, the question might just be, why the heck would a furling betray their race to a less advanced megalomanic race? Are the furlings something like Saurman in "The fellowship of the ring"???

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Neither do the tollan, but as long as they have the same brain chemistry a symbiote is compatible. u must also remember that they only need the DNA to reproduce and make hosting easy, but anyway back to the header, host jumping is apparently very dangers, as says Martuf in the second tok'ra episode.

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Shouldn't it be dangerous for the symbiote to? Like in the case with Jacob. There they say that they might die, but in demons the symbiote jumps from mortally wounded unas to a human without complications. If it's hard to jump to a ill person, wouldn't it be hard to jump from a ill person to? Another example is "The Tomb"(which by the way seems to support ?nubis theory of the symbiotes just being parasites). Shouldn't Marduk be able to jump to the little creep, mortally wound it and jump back to its former host, when the host-jumping is giving such magical powers in other episodes? Or "The serpents song", why doesn't Apophis jump to O'Neill? He would've fooled everyone by doing so...

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The danger is that they are significantly weakened after blending, they being the goa'uld, and when the blend several times over they get so weak that even the immune system can take them out, thereby we have: Danger.

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Yes but that still doesn't explain how some are able to do it, while other don't. Apophis most certainly had the chance, didn't he... Just as much as the symbiote of the severly damaged unas. The health of the symbiote must be connected with the health of the host somewhere, somehow. I can't see how Sokar could possibly tamper with the symbiote without tampering with host in Apophis case.

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Which is contradicted when they reveal that Anubis has taken a furling as a host. To me it looks like furling doesn't have the same genetic make-up as a human host so???

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And, for that matter, the symbiote from demons... It could jump from a unas to a human, even though it's strongly implied in the series that the symbiotes stopped using unas as hosts when they found humans to use for that purpose.

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Are the furlings something like Saurman in "The fellowship of the ring"???

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Originally posted by _.:?nubis:._
host jumping is apparently very dangers, as says Martuf in the second tok'ra episode.

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Sorry couldn't think of a better example

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The danger is that they are significantly weakened after blending, they being the goa'uld, and when the blend several times over they get so weak that even the immune system can take them out, thereby we have: Danger.

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Originally posted by Kamakazi Casper
That had better be just speculation, in which case what you think isn't always fact. If not, label your spoilers!



It was also said in that episode that Sokar didn't stop using Unas as hosts.



Weird metaphor (or is it similie? I always get those two mixed up).

Maybe being geneticaly combatable just increases the chances of the goa'uld blending properly with the host? They mightn't have to be a dna match, it might just help if they are.

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In Demons I think. Or else in TDYK.

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The whole assumption that the people in demons were taken from earth must be wrong since it hasn't snowed in antarctica for a very long time.Thus there would've been a hole all the way up to the surface in Solitudes(is it I hope), since there wasn't any ring transporter there.

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And the other thing, I'm just speculating so it isn't spoilers. I have only seen up til the final episode of season five. Why are people on this side so totally against speculation concerning things that may never show up in the series?

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Originally posted by Kamakazi Casper
In Demons I think. Or else in TDYK.


They didn't have to come by Stargate, they could have taken the people on ships.

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You don't need two ring transporters to transport things. So it doesn't matter if there was one or not.

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Because you're talking like it's true and set in stone. You're making a lot of assumptions based on, in my opinion, far-fetched assumptions. I don't mind speculation as long as people realise that thats all it is.

I wasn't accusing you of posting spoilers (well, I was) I honestly wasn't sure if they were spoilers or speculation and if they were spoilers, they were big ones.

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